Good evening gentlefolk, Top down posting huh? ;-) Last time I did that I got a good slap on the wrist :-) Comments below... Keith/Keefy > > From: wpkg-users-bounces at lists.wpkg.org [mailto:wpkg-users-bounces at lists.wpkg.org] On Behalf Of Michael Ugilt > Sent: 20 February 2009 04:57 > To: wpkg-users at lists.wpkg.org > Subject: Re: [wpkg-users] Wpkg client > > The "feature" is discussed on this list but the only reference I've found on the web page is the change log that states that restrictive Vista security doesn't allow for delaying logon. > > Correct me if wrong > I can't remember seeing it either. I don't think anyone realised or had much experience using Vista at the time. The wiki is open for editing so feel free to make a note of it :-) I'd offer, but if you've read any of my messages to this list you'd see I'm not the concisest of people in the world :-} > > /Michael > > Fra: wpkg-users-bounces at lists.wpkg.org [mailto:wpkg-users-bounces at lists.wpkg.org] På vegne af Chris Wilcox > Sendt: 19. februar 2009 20:31 > Til: wpkg > Emne: Re: [wpkg-users] Wpkg client > > I ran wpkg on Vista for the first time today - I initially didn't realise that on Vista the wpkg window won't show up but I guess I don't mind so long as I know it is actually running. > > Out of interest is this 'feature' mentioned on the wpkg page anywhere? > Err, nope. (see above) > > > > > From: michael at ugilt.net > > To: K.E.Jones at bton.ac.uk; wpkg-users at lists.wpkg.org > > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:16:27 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [wpkg-users] Wpkg client > > > > Keefy. > > Did you ever had time to dig further into this? > > - asking as I'd really would like to see notifications working in Vista > > > > Best regards > > Michael > > I did and didn't. That's always a good way to start these things eh? Essentially, every route seemed to take me back to the complexity of circumventing the Vista security model. I followed through on a few more articles but essentially trying to get a service to "interact" with the desktop seems to involve a large amount of rather complex C(++) and a masochistic programming tendancy. It basically all seemed to be based around the service impersonating the user and accessing the desktop whilst they were being logged in or using a helper program to report things at the users desktop. None of it seemed to work with WPKG's ideas well. I even had a look at the new way Vista handles the logon box (what used to be handled by the GINA.DLL (sp?)) in case you could find a way of attaching WPKG.client off it that way. ..and even whether you could write a Group Policy extension and report it through that way. It isn't all doom and gloom though. The .NET COM DLL idea is still hanging in there. I really just haven't had time to write it up with RL stuff floating around. I'll see if I can grab a bit of time this weekend to do something at least. I'm just playing with Joomla at this very moment to see if I can set up a site for the WPKG.Utility stuff I did a while back. Doing a port of WPKG.JS to JScript.NET does seem pretty feasible though. It'd still be a fair bit of hard work but it does seem feasible... Have fun, Keefy > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > Fra: wpkg-users-bounces at lists.wpkg.org > > [mailto:wpkg-users-bounces at lists.wpkg.org] På vegne af K.E.Jones at bton.ac.uk > > Sendt: 9. januar 2009 21:54 > > Til: Tomasz Chmielewski; Vladimir Psenicka > > Cc: wpkg > > Emne: Re: [wpkg-users] Wpkg client > > > > Hi again, > > > > Although not strictly on-topic I ran across a few bit on the Vista > > security stuff that might be useful to mention here. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: wpkg-users-bounces at lists.wpkg.org [mailto:wpkg-users- > > > bounces at lists.wpkg.org] On Behalf Of Tomasz Chmielewski > > > Sent: 08 January 2009 10:59 > > > To: Vladimir Psenicka > > > Cc: wpkg > > > Subject: Re: [wpkg-users] Wpkg client > > > > > > Vladimir Psenicka schrieb: > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > I have some questions about wpkg client 1.2.1 > > > > > > > > 1. is there any option to display what is wpkg client doing > > > > (instaling/upgrading package 1, etc) in logon messages when system > > > boot up? > > > > > > In versions 1.3.x. > > > > > > > > > > 2. in windows Vista there are no logon messages from wpkg client, > > > why? > > > > > > Because "security improvements" in Vista disallow it. > > > Unless someone knows workarounds for that > > > > > Absolutely correct and damn annoying too! > > > > I did hunt around a while back to see if there was a way round it. > > As far as I can tell, there are two potential solutions that work "with" > > or "outside" the security. > > > > 1) In theory, signing code and having attributes set in the code > > manifest > > can allow a service "some" access to the secure desktop. These seemed > > useful. > > > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms742884.aspx > > http://www.kwakkelflap.com/blog/2007/04/howto-interactive-service-in-win > > dows.html > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms683502.aspx > > > > It might be possible to put something together from that but I wouldn't > > want to be the one to try :-) > > > > 2) Although it's ugly there's a Group Policy setting that makes scripts > > run visibly on Vista. You get a black DOS box when WPKG.JS launches but > > anything it does is visible (including any processes it launches). > > I haven't tested yet to see if you can override that or get rid of the > > DOS box but it might be worth a shot. > > > > I have a prototype running now that produces a GUI from a COM object > > rather than use the client's one. It's a bit more awkward to setup and > > adds .NET dependencies but pretty cool ;-) > > > > I'll tidy it up and bug it as an enhancement. If it's not useful > > at least it has some interesting JScript code that I adapted from some > > rather cool design pattern examples from the web :-) > > > > Back soon! > > > > Keefy > > > > PS: This is a throwaway comment but I guess if "push comes to shove" > > WPKG.JS > > could be ported to Jscript.NET and become compiled code instead... The > > NET > > dependency wouldn't be ideal but the access to the NET framework could > > give it a GUI of it's own and add a lot of really useful routines. > > > > I actually wouldn't mind having a go at that myself... hrmmm... > > > > > > > > -- > > > Tomasz Chmielewski > > > http://wpkg.org > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -- > > > wpkg-users mailing list archives >> > > > http://lists.wpkg.org/pipermail/wpkg-users/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > wpkg-users mailing list > > > wpkg-users at lists.wpkg.org > > > http://lists.wpkg.org/mailman/listinfo/wpkg-users > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > wpkg-users mailing list archives >> > > http://lists.wpkg.org/pipermail/wpkg-users/ > > _______________________________________________ > > wpkg-users mailing list > > wpkg-users at lists.wpkg.org > > http://lists.wpkg.org/mailman/listinfo/wpkg-users > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > wpkg-users mailing list archives >> http://lists.wpkg.org/pipermail/wpkg-users/ > > _______________________________________________ > > wpkg-users mailing list > > wpkg-users at lists.wpkg.org > > http://lists.wpkg.org/mailman/listinfo/wpkg-users > ________________________________________ > Try Facebook in Windows Live Messenger! Try it Now! From: wpkg-users-bounces at lists.wpkg.org [mailto:wpkg-users-bounces at lists.wpkg.org] On Behalf Of Michael Ugilt Sent: 20 February 2009 04:57 To: wpkg-users at lists.wpkg.org Subject: Re: [wpkg-users] Wpkg client The "feature" is discussed on this list but the only reference I've found on the web page is the change log that states that restrictive Vista security doesn't allow for delaying logon. Correct me if wrong /Michael Fra: wpkg-users-bounces at lists.wpkg.org [mailto:wpkg-users-bounces at lists.wpkg.org] På vegne af Chris Wilcox Sendt: 19. februar 2009 20:31 Til: wpkg Emne: Re: [wpkg-users] Wpkg client I ran wpkg on Vista for the first time today - I initially didn't realise that on Vista the wpkg window won't show up but I guess I don't mind so long as I know it is actually running. Out of interest is this 'feature' mentioned on the wpkg page anywhere? > From: michael at ugilt.net > To: K.E.Jones at bton.ac.uk; wpkg-users at lists.wpkg.org > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:16:27 +0100 > Subject: Re: [wpkg-users] Wpkg client > > Keefy. > Did you ever had time to dig further into this? > - asking as I'd really would like to see notifications working in Vista > > Best regards > Michael > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: wpkg-users-bounces at lists.wpkg.org > [mailto:wpkg-users-bounces at lists.wpkg.org] På vegne af K.E.Jones at bton.ac.uk > Sendt: 9. januar 2009 21:54 > Til: Tomasz Chmielewski; Vladimir Psenicka > Cc: wpkg > Emne: Re: [wpkg-users] Wpkg client > > Hi again, > > Although not strictly on-topic I ran across a few bit on the Vista > security stuff that might be useful to mention here. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wpkg-users-bounces at lists.wpkg.org [mailto:wpkg-users- > > bounces at lists.wpkg.org] On Behalf Of Tomasz Chmielewski > > Sent: 08 January 2009 10:59 > > To: Vladimir Psenicka > > Cc: wpkg > > Subject: Re: [wpkg-users] Wpkg client > > > > Vladimir Psenicka schrieb: > > > Hi > > > > > > I have some questions about wpkg client 1.2.1 > > > > > > 1. is there any option to display what is wpkg client doing > > > (instaling/upgrading package 1, etc) in logon messages when system > > boot up? > > > > In versions 1.3.x. > > > > > > > 2. in windows Vista there are no logon messages from wpkg client, > > why? > > > > Because "security improvements" in Vista disallow it. > > Unless someone knows workarounds for that > > > Absolutely correct and damn annoying too! > > I did hunt around a while back to see if there was a way round it. > As far as I can tell, there are two potential solutions that work "with" > or "outside" the security. > > 1) In theory, signing code and having attributes set in the code > manifest > can allow a service "some" access to the secure desktop. These seemed > useful. > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms742884.aspx > http://www.kwakkelflap.com/blog/2007/04/howto-interactive-service-in-win > dows.html > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms683502.aspx > > It might be possible to put something together from that but I wouldn't > want to be the one to try :-) > > 2) Although it's ugly there's a Group Policy setting that makes scripts > run visibly on Vista. You get a black DOS box when WPKG.JS launches but > anything it does is visible (including any processes it launches). > I haven't tested yet to see if you can override that or get rid of the > DOS box but it might be worth a shot. > > I have a prototype running now that produces a GUI from a COM object > rather than use the client's one. It's a bit more awkward to setup and > adds .NET dependencies but pretty cool ;-) > > I'll tidy it up and bug it as an enhancement. If it's not useful > at least it has some interesting JScript code that I adapted from some > rather cool design pattern examples from the web :-) > > Back soon! > > Keefy > > PS: This is a throwaway comment but I guess if "push comes to shove" > WPKG.JS > could be ported to Jscript.NET and become compiled code instead... The > NET > dependency wouldn't be ideal but the access to the NET framework could > give it a GUI of it's own and add a lot of really useful routines. > > I actually wouldn't mind having a go at that myself... hrmmm... > > > > > -- > > Tomasz Chmielewski > > http://wpkg.org > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > wpkg-users mailing list archives >> > > http://lists.wpkg.org/pipermail/wpkg-users/ > > _______________________________________________ > > wpkg-users mailing list > > wpkg-users at lists.wpkg.org > > http://lists.wpkg.org/mailman/listinfo/wpkg-users > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > wpkg-users mailing list archives >> > http://lists.wpkg.org/pipermail/wpkg-users/ > _______________________________________________ > wpkg-users mailing list > wpkg-users at lists.wpkg.org > http://lists.wpkg.org/mailman/listinfo/wpkg-users > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > wpkg-users mailing list archives >> http://lists.wpkg.org/pipermail/wpkg-users/ > _______________________________________________ > wpkg-users mailing list > wpkg-users at lists.wpkg.org > http://lists.wpkg.org/mailman/listinfo/wpkg-users ________________________________ Try Facebook in Windows Live Messenger! 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