Ang: Re: Ang: Re: Ang: Re: [Stgt-devel] Re: [Iscsitarget-devel] stgt a new version of iscsi target?
johan at capvert.se
johan at capvert.se
Wed Dec 7 19:05:57 CET 2005
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Ming Zhang <mingz at ele.uri.edu>
2005-12-07 15:53
S=E4nd svar till mingz
=20
Till: johan at capvert.se
Kopia: iscsitarget-devel at lists.sourceforge.net, Mike Christie=20
<michaelc at cs.wisc.edu>, stgt <stgt-devel at lists.berlios.de>,=20
stgt-devel-admin at berlios.de, Robert Whitehead <WRWHITEHEAD at novell.com>
=C4rende: Re: Ang: Re: Ang: Re: [Stgt-devel] Re: [Iscsitarget-devel=
] stgt a new=20
version of iscsi target?
On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 15:28 +0100, johan at capvert.se wrote:
>=20
> Hi!
>=20
>=20
> Well, I=B4m happy with QLA and LSI. That would be great! But I=B4m sure I
> could get the LSI 10Gbe iScsi HBA target F/W and sdk, when they
> release the board.=20
all these needs time. ;)
ps, even u can get sdk and fw, will lsi allow u to developer a gpl'ed
code around it?
I can allways ask them, since they have shown interest in gpl=20
developement, and also, we have a product developement that interest them. =
>=20
> Any comments from Mike?=20
he is in east coast i guess.
>=20
> Best regards from/Med v=E4nliga h=E4lsningar fr=E5n
>=20
> Johan Kragsterman
>=20
> http://www.capvert.se=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Ming Zhang
> <mingz at ele.uri.edu>=20
>=20
> 2005-12-07 15:11=20
> S=E4nd svar till mingz=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Till:
> johan at capvert.se=20
> Kopia:
> Mike Christie
> <michaelc at cs.wisc.edu>,
> iscsitarget-devel at lists.sourceforge.net, stgt=20
<stgt-devel at lists.berlios.de>, stgt-devel-admin at berlios.de, Robert=20
Whitehead <WRWHITEHEAD at novell.com>=20
> =C4rende:
> Re: Ang: Re:
> [Stgt-devel] Re:
> [Iscsitarget-devel]
> stgt a new
> version of iscsi
> target?
>=20
>=20
>=20
> my 2 cents
>=20
> most iscsi hba are still closed sourced, at least they only provide
> source code sdk to customers or oem developers. so it will be hard to
> integrate them unless their own engr do it.
>=20
> toe is not here, not in scsi domain. toe will be treated as NIC and
> use
> software iscsi target stack coming with stgt. nic is same thing here.
>=20
> fc/sas, or maybe old parallel scsi will integrate with stgt just like
> what qla + scst does now.=20
>=20
> i remember Mike mentioned that he is working on a qla+stgt. also lsi
> +stgt is claimed.
>=20
>=20
> ming
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 13:51 +0100, johan at capvert.se wrote:
> > Hi, Mike!
> >=20
> >=20
> > I, and I suppose a lot of other people, would like know how you look
> at the
> > HW support on the Fc side? I don=B4t know what you mean now, when you
> talk
> > about HW target support, if you talk iScsi HBA, TOE HBA, NIC, or Fc
> HBA, or
> > all of them. Since I=B4m very much on the Fc side, I=B4m especially
> interested
> > in your developement strategy for Fc. How is your priority list look
> like?
> >=20
> > Best regards from/Med v=E4nliga h=E4lsningar fr=E5n
> >=20
> > Johan Kragsterman
> >=20
> > http://www.capvert.se
> >=20
> >=20
> >
>=20
> > Mike Christie
>=20
> > <michaelc at cs.wisc Till:
> mingz at ele.uri.edu=20
> > .edu> Kopia: Robert Whitehead
> <WRWHITEHEAD at novell.com>,=20
> > S=E4nt av:
> iscsitarget-devel at lists.sourceforge.net, stgt
>=20
> > stgt-devel-admin@
> <stgt-devel at lists.berlios.de>
>=20
> > berlios.de =C4rende: Re: [Stgt-devel]
> Re: [Iscsitarget-devel] stgt a new version of=20
> > iscsi target?
>=20
> >
>=20
> > 2005-12-07 11:00
>=20
> >
>=20
> >
>=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > Ming Zhang wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 10:58 -0700, Robert Whitehead wrote:
> > >
> > >>>>>>Ming Zhang <mingz at ele.uri.edu> 12/6/2005 10:32 am >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>on Tue, 2005-12-06 at 09:56 -0700, Robert Whitehead wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>In a couple of the iscsitarget mail threads there is the
> reference
> > >>
> > >>to
> > >>
> > >>>>the new stgt implementation which is hosted on the
> > >>>>http://developer.berlios.de web site. In addition, it also
> looks
> > >>>>like the lasted source code for the IET project has been moved
> to
> > >>
> > >>an
> > >>
> > >>>>iscsitarget project hosted on the developer.berlios.de site. In
> > >>
> > >>fact
> > >>
> > >>>>doing a cvs browse on this website (sourceforge) doesn't work
> and
> > >>
> > >>in
> > >>
> > >>>>order to see the sourcecode and you have to go to the berlios
> > >>
> > >>website to
> > >>
> > >>>>get the latest iscsitarget code.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>My question is what is the future of the IET project?
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>feature freeze and keep it stable.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>It appears the stgt is the new direction. If so what is the
> > >>
> > >>motivation
> > >>
> > >>>>for stgt?
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>stgt is a middle layer for different transports. so u can have
> iscsi,
> > >>>fc, sas,... later under same umbrella.
> > >>
> > >>>ming
> > >>
> > >>What is the time frame for having initial release of stgt?
> > >>Is it is a good state that if I download stgt and build it, will
> it
> > >>function as an iscsi target now?
> > >>
> > >>Robert
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > i am not a stgt developer, so i could not tell u the time frame. i
> think
> > > it still need some work before it becomes as stable as iet.
> > >
> >=20
> > Yeah it is very unstable at the moment. We are in the middle if
> adding
> > HW target support so probably scst or IET alone if you just need
> iscsi
> > is better. We have also been trying to figure out a way to reuse
> some of
> > the block layer code for things like barriers/MSG=5F*, tags, requests
> and
> > queue limits etc and that is really a experiment at the moment.
> > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F
> > Stgt-devel mailing list
> > Stgt-devel at lists.berlios.de
> > http://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/stgt-devel
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
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<br><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New">On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 15:28 +0100, =
johan at capvert.se wrote:<br>
> <br>
> =
 =
; Hi!<br>
> =
<br>
> <br>
> Well, I=B4m happy with QLA and LSI. That would be great! But I=B4m sur=
e I<br>
> could get the LSI 10Gbe iScsi HBA target F/W and sdk, when they<br>
> release the board. <br>
<br>
all these needs time. ;)<br>
<br>
ps, even u can get sdk and fw, will lsi allow u to developer a gpl'ed<br>
code around it?</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D2 face=3D"sans-serif">I can allways ask them, since they h=
ave shown interest in gpl developement, and also, we have a product develop=
ement that interest them. </font><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><br>
<br>
> <br>
> Any comments from Mike? <br>
<br>
he is in east coast i guess.<br>
<br>
> <br>
> Best regards from/Med=
v=E4nliga h=E4lsningar fr=E5n<br>
> <br>
> =
Johan Kragsterman<br>
> <br>
> =
http://www.capvert.se <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Ming Zhang<br>
> <mingz at ele.uri.edu> <br>
> <br>
> 2005-12-07 15:11 <br>
> S=E4nd svar till mingz <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Till:<br>
> johan at capvert.se <br>
> Kopia:<br>
> Mike Christie<br>
> <michaelc at cs.wisc.edu>,<br>
> iscsitarget-devel at lists.sourceforge.net, stgt <stgt-devel at lists.ber=
lios.de>, stgt-devel-admin at berlios.de, Robert Whitehead <WRWHITEHEAD@=
novell.com> <br>
> =C4rende:<br>
> Re: Ang: Re:<br>
> [Stgt-devel] Re:<br>
> [Iscsitarget-devel]<br>
> stgt a new<br>
> version of iscsi<br>
> target?<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> my 2 cents<br>
> <br>
> most iscsi hba are still closed sourced, at least they only provide<br>
> source code sdk to customers or oem developers. so it will be hard to<=
br>
> integrate them unless their own engr do it.<br>
> <br>
> toe is not here, not in scsi domain. toe will be treated as NIC and<br>
> use<br>
> software iscsi target stack coming with stgt. nic is same thing here.<=
br>
> <br>
> fc/sas, or maybe old parallel scsi will integrate with stgt just like<=
br>
> what qla + scst does now. <br>
> <br>
> i remember Mike mentioned that he is working on a qla+stgt. also lsi<b=
r>
> +stgt is claimed.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> ming<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 13:51 +0100, johan at capvert.se wrote:<br>
> > &n=
bsp; =
Hi, Mike!<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > I, and I suppose a lot of other people, would like know how you l=
ook<br>
> at the<br>
> > HW support on the Fc side? I don=B4t know what you mean now, when=
you<br>
> talk<br>
> > about HW target support, if you talk iScsi HBA, TOE HBA, NIC, or =
Fc<br>
> HBA, or<br>
> > all of them. Since I=B4m very much on the Fc side, I=B4m especial=
ly<br>
> interested<br>
> > in your developement strategy for Fc. How is your priority list l=
ook<br>
> like?<br>
> > <br>
> > Best regar=
ds from/Med v=E4nliga h=E4lsningar fr=E5n<br>
> > <br>
> > &n=
bsp; Johan Kragsterman<br>
> > <br>
> > &n=
bsp; http://www.capvert.se<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> ><br>
> =
 =
; <br>
> > &n=
bsp; Mike Christie<br>
> =
 =
; <br>
> > &n=
bsp; <michaelc at cs.wisc Till:<br>
> mingz at ele.uri.edu &nb=
sp; &=
nbsp; <br>
> > &n=
bsp; .edu>  =
; Kopia: Robert Whitehead<br>
> <WRWHITEHEAD at novell.com>, &nb=
sp; <br>
> > &n=
bsp; S=E4nt av:<br>
> iscsitarget-devel at lists.sourceforge.net, stgt<br>
> <br>
> > &n=
bsp; stgt-devel-admin@<br>
> <stgt-devel at lists.berlios.de><br>
> <br>
> > &n=
bsp; berlios.de =C4rende: R=
e: [Stgt-devel]<br>
> Re: [Iscsitarget-devel] stgt a new version of <br>
> > &n=
bsp; =
iscsi target?<br>
> =
 =
; <br>
> ><br>
> =
 =
; <br>
> > &n=
bsp; 2005-12-07 11:00<br>
> =
 =
; <br>
> ><br>
> =
 =
; <br>
> ><br>
> =
 =
; <br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > Ming Zhang wrote:<br>
> > > On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 10:58 -0700, Robert Whitehead wrote:<b=
r>
> > ><br>
> > >>>>>>Ming Zhang <mingz at ele.uri.edu> 12/6=
/2005 10:32 am >>><br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>>on Tue, 2005-12-06 at 09:56 -0700, Robert Whitehead w=
rote:<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>>>In a couple of the iscsitarget mail threads there=
is the<br>
> reference<br>
> > >><br>
> > >>to<br>
> > >><br>
> > >>>>the new stgt implementation which is hosted on th=
e<br>
> > >>>>http://developer.berlios.de web site. In ad=
dition, it also<br>
> looks<br>
> > >>>>like the lasted source code for the IET project h=
as been moved<br>
> to<br>
> > >><br>
> > >>an<br>
> > >><br>
> > >>>>iscsitarget project hosted on the developer.berli=
os.de site. In<br>
> > >><br>
> > >>fact<br>
> > >><br>
> > >>>>doing a cvs browse on this website (sourceforge) =
doesn't work<br>
> and</font>
<br><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New">> > >><br>
> > >>in<br>
> > >><br>
> > >>>>order to see the sourcecode and you have to go to=
the berlios<br>
> > >><br>
> > >>website to<br>
> > >><br>
> > >>>>get the latest iscsitarget code.<br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>>My question is what is the future of the IET proj=
ect?<br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>>feature freeze and keep it stable.<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>>>It appears the stgt is the new direction. I=
f so what is the<br>
> > >><br>
> > >>motivation<br>
> > >><br>
> > >>>>for stgt?<br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >><br>
> > >>>stgt is a middle layer for different transports. so u=
can have<br>
> iscsi,<br>
> > >>>fc, sas,... later under same umbrella.<br>
> > >><br>
> > >>>ming<br>
> > >><br>
> > >>What is the time frame for having initial release of stgt=
?<br>
> > >>Is it is a good state that if I download stgt and build i=
t, will<br>
> it<br>
> > >>function as an iscsi target now?<br>
> > >><br>
> > >>Robert<br>
> > >><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > i am not a stgt developer, so i could not tell u the time fr=
ame. i<br>
> think<br>
> > > it still need some work before it becomes as stable as iet.<=
br>
> > ><br>
> > <br>
> > Yeah it is very unstable at the moment. We are in the middle if<b=
r>
> adding<br>
> > HW target support so probably scst or IET alone if you just need<=
br>
> iscsi<br>
> > is better. We have also been trying to figure out a way to reuse<=
br>
> some of<br>
> > the block layer code for things like barriers/MSG=5F*, tags, requ=
ests<br>
> and<br>
> > queue limits etc and that is really a experiment at the moment.<b=
r>
> > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
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=5F<br>
> > Stgt-devel mailing list<br>
> > Stgt-devel at lists.berlios.de<br>
> > http://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/stgt-devel<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
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