[wpkg-users] WPKG on Windows 8
jurgen.depicker at let.be
jurgen.depicker at let.be
Tue Aug 28 15:44:15 CEST 2012
Dear Rainer,
I was wondering how you exluded the flashplayer activex, since you wrote
on http://lists.wpkg.org/pipermail/wpkg-users/2011-November/008252.html
that you were against this non-feature ;-).
Did you use such a method as described in
http://lists.wpkg.org/pipermail/wpkg-users/2011-December/008424.html :
<profile id='CommonTools'>
<package package-id='Foxit'>
<condition>
<check type="logical" condition="not">
<check type="host" condition="hostname" value="^TOTO$" />
</check>
</condition>
</package>
<!-- all your 30packages -->
</profile>
I don't think so, since the package as described on the wiki
http://wpkg.org/Flash_Player includes both activex and plugin installers,
and it is not immediately clear to me how you modified it. Could you post
your config to the list please? I will add your changes to the wiki if
you like.
PS: I'm using wpkg-gp 0.15 and it works without any issues (till now) on
Windows 8.
Thanks for your efforts,
Jürgen
> From: Rainer Meier <r.meier at wpkg.org>
> To: "'wpkg-users at lists.wpkg.org'" <wpkg-users at lists.wpkg.org>,
> Date: 27/08/2012 00:46
> Subject: [wpkg-users] WPKG on Windows 8
> Sent by: wpkg-users-bounces at lists.wpkg.org
>
> Hello,
>
> Actually I have decided today to spend some time on Windows 8
> migration today. I
> try to just report my results without any intention to start a war about
user
> interface discussions. So if you're going to reply please focus on
technical
> discussion of issues.
>
> Here's a summary of my findings:
>
> I did install WPKG Client 1.3.14 64-bit on Windows 8 Professional
> 64-bit. I have
> used wpkg.js version 1.3.1-RC12.
> The configuration I have used is the same as for Windows 7. This
> includes some
> post-installation changes I typically use:
>
> sc config wpkgservice depend= NSI/Tdx/Afd/tcpip/LanmanWorkstation
> sc config wpkgservice start= delayed-auto
>
> This will run the service delayed and usually works fine even for
network
> adapters reporting link ready even if the driver is not ready yet (see
> discussions on the list for Windows 7).
>
> My configuration also includes service termination after execution so
the
> service is not permanently running.
>
>
> Overall the migration to Windows 8 was very smooth. The only thing I
> really had
> to adapt was to create a new profile for Windows 8 machines which
> exclude some
> packages. In my case:
> - Exclude FlashPlayer Active-X
> (embedded in IE 10, so I prefer it to be updated via Windows Update;
> although the version embedded currently is outdated)
> - Exclude installation of Microsoft Security Essentials
> MSE is actually integrated into Windows Defender now. It won't
install on
> Windows 8 and report incompatibility
> - Exclude installation of Internet Explorer as IE10 is included already
>
> And that's it basically. WPKG will just deploy all the packages fine.
>
>
> Some issues:
> - CAUTION: I found that the WPKG service is not restarted when you
> shut down the
> machine and re-start it. This is due to the new Windows 8 session resume
> feature. During shutdown Session0 will not be terminated but will be
> hibernated
> instead. So when the machine is powered on again the system session
> is restored
> from hibernate rather than fully booted. On one hand this provides very
short
> boot times but on the other hand services are not refreshed. So crashed
> (unexpectedly terminated) services remain dead and also WPKG service is
not
> re-launched as some people might expect.
> Please also note that if you initiate a REBOOT rather than
shutdown/restart,
> then session 0 is actually terminated completely and then of course
> also WPKG is
> re-launched then.
> So if your users always just shut down properly, then you might have
issues
> getting WPKG re-launched without putting a task scheduler entry
> which (re)starts
> the WPKG service based on schedule.
> You have to expect that such installations will run WPKG basically
> once a month
> (after Windows Update installation and required real reboot) unless
> you're going
> to disable the feature entirely:
> - (Desktop) Control Panel > Hardware and Sound > Power Options
> Click "Chose what the power buttons do" and disable "Turn on fast
startup"
>
> But I do not recommend this since fast startup actually provides really
> accelerated startup on many machines (especially those without SSD).
>
> I will have to check how WPKG-GP complies with Windows 8.
>
>
> - Only partially a WPKG issue but I found Windows 8 creating pinned
"Start"
> items for every installed application installed for the user which
installs
> them. When additional users log on to the machine they will find
> empty "Start"
> panel so users will have to pick all the programs from the "All
> apps" menu only
> found when right-clicking in the start screen. I am working on a script
which
> pins most important applications (Word, Excel, LibreOffice,
> Firefox...) to the
> start panel for new users via RunOnce registry key. So on very
firstlogin the
> start panel will not only contain app tiles.
>
>
>
> Overall WPKG seems to work pretty well on Windows 8 without any changes.
> Although packages might need some updates and new profiles will have to
be
> defined in some cases. The good thing is that we won't have to care
about app
> deployment as they are installed and updated via the store. Not sure
> if it would
> be even possible to deploy apps via command-line from sources other than
the
> market or install them globally. I found already strange that in a
multi-user
> environment user A won't see apps installed by user B at all even if
> the appl is
> free (well, might be license policy driven). As far as I know
> Microsoft at least
> promised providing tools to deploy apps in corporate environment to all
users
> but I guess it requires a system management center installation
> which is perhaps
> a bit overkill in smaller networks or at smaller schools.
>
>
>
> Pending:
> - Try WPKG-GP
> - Get informationa bout app deployment and policies
>
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